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A Role model for British Prisons

Post by falkor » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:32 am

AndyJ wrote:TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) who created the "tent city jail":

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weights, cut off all but "G" movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again, only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel he replied," So they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails.

More on the Arizona Sheriff:

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks.

"It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 year. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates:"It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

Way to go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

Sheriff Joe was just re-elected Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona.


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Post by Flash » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:54 pm

Why oh why oh why can we not have more Sherrifs, Police, Judges and Government officials with this way of thinking?!?!?!?!

This IS exactly how prisons should be, not TV and radios in every room (i deliberately did not say cell!) four sqaure meals per day, gym facilities.........im surprised they dont have sun beds and trips to the shops on Saturdays.

We are far too soft on criminals in this country, they seem to have more rights than the poor people they have robbed, raped or murdered!

Phew.....rant over!! :wink:

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Post by smithster » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:10 am

Flash wrote:Why oh why oh why can we not have more Sherrifs, Police, Judges and Government officials with this way of thinking?!?!?!?!

This IS exactly how prisons should be, not TV and radios in every room (i deliberately did not say cell!) four sqaure meals per day, gym facilities.........im surprised they dont have sun beds and trips to the shops on Saturdays.

We are far too soft on criminals in this country, they seem to have more rights than the poor people they have robbed, raped or murdered!

Phew.....rant over!! :wink:


I agree with Flash, convicted criminals shouldnt be treat to the life of luxury, they should be treat like criminals.

I once spoke to a person who had spent time inside and he told me that the reason he kept getting locked up was because he wanted to return to prison because there he could watch his tv, get cooked meals and a bed to sleep at night, surely there must be some alternative, its not very good when criminals prefer to go inside as opposed to being free, as it were.

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Post by TheWanderer » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:50 pm

Its the old story of the homeless guy who'd wait for the police to drive by before throwing a brick through a window in front of them to get a meal and a bed for the night!

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Post by falkor » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:04 pm

smithster wrote:I agree with Flash, convicted criminals shouldnt be treat to the life of luxury, they should be treat like criminals.

I once spoke to a person who had spent time inside and he told me that the reason he kept getting locked up was because he wanted to return to prison because there he could watch his tv, get cooked meals and a bed to sleep at night, Smudge
well according to Pericard it's not like that - at least at Exeter! :shock:

Pericard: My prison hell
The shocking warning that ALL today's players must heed
David Anderson 09/10/2007
[img]http://prisonofficer.org.uk/pimages/pericard203.jpg[/img] Stoke striker Vincent Pericard has lifted the lid on his prison hell - and revealed how he feared he would lose his mind.

Pericard was recently freed after spending five weeks in Exeter prison for lying about who was driving his car when he was caught speeding.

And he admits it was the toughest ordeal of his life.

The former Juventus man says he struggled to deal with life behind bars and the mind-numbing tedium of the daily routine.

"The greatest fear I had was for my sanity," said Pericard, 25. "I was afraid of losing my mind, going mad, becoming claustrophobic and not being able to express myself any more.

"I feared my head would explode. I could stand up to the regime physically - but mentally I needed to hold out.

"I got up at 7.30 for a breakfast that was the bare minimum - a bowl of milk and cereal that looked like plastic.

"We ate in our cells, where we'd be locked up until 11am, and then we'd go and get our lunch, which we'd once again eat behind closed cell doors. It was the same routine again with the evening meal.

"They gave us a wage of around £7 a week, and I'd use the money to top up my phone, or else buy clothes or extra food.

"If you stayed in bed all day you didn't have enough to eat."

The inmate in the cell next to Pericard's hung himself and the former French Under-21 international says his ordeal has left him traumatised.

"It was a totally different world, and one where nobody wants to end up," he told Football365.fr. "It was a society of criminals with its own way of thinking, where all the laws and rules are different.

"I was in there with drug dealers, paedophiles, rapists, murderers and people who have attempted to kill. We had the lot.

"There are people in there who no longer form part of society, and I do not want to be like them.

"It is the toughest thing I have had to endure in my life."

Pericard has been released on licence and must wear an electronic tag as he attempts to revive his career at Stoke. He still feels hugely aggrieved that he was sent to jail for four months for perverting the course of justice.

"The judge who sentenced me was in a bad mood that day, and he wanted to make an example of a footballer," argued the forward, who hails from Cameroon. "When he passed sentence on me I didn't know how to react. The police put handcuffs on me straight away and led me to the cells - the shock lasted days.

"I learned in prison that your life can change in the blink of an eye. I'd been happy, with my friends and at liberty, but suddenly there was nothing - no contact, no phone calls.

"It has been a hard lesson for me. I will respect the law from now on, and advise others to do the same." Pericard claims he only survived thanks to the support of his old Portsmouth boss Harry Redknapp and ex-Fratton Park team-mate Teddy Sheringham.

And he thanked Stoke for standing by him and offering him a second chance at the Britannia Stadium.

"That encouragement from Harry and Teddy helped me survive in prison, as did knowing I had the backing of my bosses at Stoke," he said. "Their support was massive because they could have easily cancelled my contract for gross misconduct and saved some money.

"Getting back into the team has given me my confidence back. Now every day is like Christmas.

"I'm so glad to be back among my friends and team-mates - and no longer among criminals."

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Post by Tricky » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:26 pm

About time. Bloody footballers get away with far too much. If it weren't for their status, many more of them would have done time :evil: :evil:

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Post by smithster » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:36 am

falkor wrote: well according to Pericard it's not like that - at least at Exeter! :shock:
Maybe it werent like that for him, but he is a footballer used to luxury, but for average joe public that gets locked up, its gonna be alot different.

I generally like the british way of doing things, because its british and the way we do things, but as far as prisons, policing paperwork I honestly think america, canada, oz and other such places fair alot better.

Justice is justice, a criminal is a criminal, and a jail is a jail.

I think we honestly take things to the enth degree.

All it needs is for someone with the balls to stand up to criminals to say this is how you are going to live, dont like it, dont commit crime.

As for those who throw a brick through the window when police car passes, surely they are the sought of people we should be helping, people who need the hot meals, beds for the night instead of criminalising them.

The system in my opinion seems completely wrong, we spend more on criminals rather than forming help networks for those who need it.

Only my opinions, obviously

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Post by falkor » Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:41 pm

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Joe Arpaio is the scourge of prison reformers. He doesn't just punish his inmates – he humiliates them. Why? Because they've broken the law, he tells David Usborne
Saturday, 15 August 2009

Joe Arpaio is delighted to be called "America's toughest sheriff". It's right there in the bio-blurb his spokeswoman hands a reporter when they first meet him. After all, his willingness to inflict assorted degrees of deprivation and humiliation on his citizens gone astray is what gets him elected over and over again.

"I want to thank you and the people of England. Going back in history, you invented the sheriff thing," he says after a brief tour of the memorabilia in his 19-floor office in downtown Phoenix, including a faux-Wild West billboard proclaiming, "No cigarettes, movies, coffee, girlie magazines". It is meant as a tribute to "Tent City", the jail he first built 16 years ago where prisoners are stacked under canvas.
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Post by xHx » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:14 am

Tent City wouldn't work in England i don't think. Weather isn't good enough!
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Post by Haywain » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:37 am

Not very comfortable xHx, but it wouldn't kill them. Might need a few more calories than 40 cents though to keep them warm.
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Post by xHx » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:32 am

They would moan like hell and kick up a right fuss, wouldn't be nice for us staff to have to listen to!
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Post by Haywain » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:09 pm

xHx wrote:They would moan like hell and kick up a right fuss, wouldn't be nice for us staff to have to listen to!
Ask for some ear defenders :slbi:
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