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Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74275Post Guinness Man
Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:01 am

Are you going to vote? Do you think they are a good idea or an expensive disaster. Will it mean the end of neighbourhood policing as we know it. Politics might shape how we are policed in the future.
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74276Post skinner
Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:10 pm

Guinness Man wrote:Are you going to vote? Do you think they are a good idea or an expensive disaster. Will it mean the end of neighbourhood policing as we know it. Politics might shape how we are policed in the future.

No vote from me, Leave it to the people who know how to police.

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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74277Post Guinness Man
Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:51 pm

Unfortunately there will be some who will vote and if these commisioners have any power they could change things, for example I live in a rural area with low crime so they may next to no crime and could withdraw the policing.
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74278Post snafu
Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:56 pm

Where I am we have only the usual suspect parties putting up candidates. I saw a clip the other day that explained that standing for this is far more onerous than in a normal election, particularly the deposit, which has put off many independents. Perhaps this was deliberate?

I will vote for 2 reasons.

Firstly, I believe that voting in elections should be mandatory, with a caveat that all ballot papers should have a "non of the above" box. That way people who cannot be bothered learning enough about things and getting off their backsides to vote might take an interest as they have to go and we can also have the opportunity to show politicians what we think of them! That is simplistic summary of my view but I am sick of politicians who get 50% of the votes on a 40% turnout (i.e. only 20% of people voted for them) claiming to have a mandate! Either way it would be hypocritical of me not to bother.

Secondly, if you don't vote then you leave it to activists, pressure groups and other vested interests to decide how you are policed and I think we all know that leads to disaster as by and large those who want to see more robust policing are less likely to turn out than those that apologise for criminals.

Whilst I can see what both GM and skinner are saying, then you could argue that this politicises policing but then it is anyway as police forces generally do latest wheeze any govt come up with. I think the PM is hoping that by and large his party is seen as better on law and order and so will take control of police forces away from police authorities that are controlled by other parties. So we are just changing one politics for another. It could be argued that the police know how to police but then again I am sure you could find many a front line bobbie who would say that senior police officers don't know how to police as well? But based on the point of view of leave it as it is then perhaps my idea of a non of the above could be used as a way of leaving things as they are?
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74279Post Asap
Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:11 am

skinner wrote:
Guinness Man wrote:Are you going to vote? Do you think they are a good idea or an expensive disaster. Will it mean the end of neighbourhood policing as we know it. Politics might shape how we are policed in the future.

No vote from me, Leave it to the people who know how to police.
Who will that be then :sleye:

Independent police authorities with a dozen members all on 10k minimum ?

Bring back Ray Mallon :slbi:
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74280Post Guinness Man
Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:55 am

Personally I think they will bve toothless tigers who are on a nice little earner and when things go wrong there is someone to hang out to dry.
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74281Post TM1
Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:05 pm

Will I vote? Yes.
Will it make any difference to the way my town is policed ? No.
As I see it the commissioner will serve his term in office, everyone will say how crap he/she did their job a new commissioner will be elected he or she will serve their term in office and we will carry on in that vein.
If the government want to copy the Americans, lets elect a local sheriff give him/her a badge and let them get out on the streets and clean the place up. :slbi:
To top that I'd like to nominate Tango Oscar 31as sheriff of my county.
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74282Post TangoOscar31
Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:27 pm

None of this commissioner sh**e in Scotland, but I was speaking to some Englishers, and most of them have no idea who their candidates even are!!!!
TM1 wrote:If the government want to copy the Americans, lets elect a local sheriff give him/her a badge and let them get out on the streets and clean the place up. :slbi:
To top that I'd like to nominate Tango Oscar 31as sheriff of my county.
Thank you! :D A top candidate if I may say so myself..... ;)

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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74356Post Guinness Man
Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:04 pm

Have a watch its a little worrying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHh-nhoYXqk
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74361Post falkor
Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:31 pm

You are a prima doner and a lover of Cuppa Soup Sir kindly get onto the next bus that comes along this blessed highway and hitherto refrain from passing along here in thy future CHUM! :mrgreen: haha

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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74367Post TangoOscar31
Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:43 pm

So the turn out was about 1 in 10 or 10%-15%!

Another success and money well spent!

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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74372Post TM1
Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:24 pm

Did anybody expect anything else.
Does the low turn out constitute a mandate from the masses, or are the masses voting with their feet, or lack of feet in this case.
Strikes me it is just another way to get another politician into a place of power. :slr:
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74374Post TangoOscar31
Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:30 pm

I'm surprised the turnout was that high....

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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74375Post Wrist Assessment
Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:58 pm

You're only jealous :slgo:
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Re: Police and crime commissioner

Post: # 74376Post TangoOscar31
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:41 pm

Wrist Assessment wrote:You're only jealous :slgo:
Of course, I wanted to change the habit of a lifetime and cast a vote in a ballot! :slsa: :slw:

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